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Thursday, September 18, 2025

About initiating new people + 5 more

Baba
About initiating new people
  
Namaskar,

I was in the room when a few dadas were talking about giving initiation. At first they were just expressing their philosophies and approaches. One started saying that he initiates people as soon as possible, i.e. he will initiate anyone, anywhere. This dada felt that giving diiksa and assigning the mantra should be done speedily to one and all.

Then another dada looked up and said that this was not proper. Ananda Marga initiation is very special and one should show deep commitment before getting initiated. This dada began telling that he will only initiate a person if they (a) only eat sentient food, (b) have given up all kinds of intoxicants, and (c) refrain from all degrading, animalistic propensities for a given time period. Then and only then will he initiate them, otherwise not.
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A few others agreed with this perspective, while others thought this was too severe and by this way our Ananda Marga would not grow. Then one dada chimed in that giving initiation is a lot of work and time-taking: "I am so busy with my work that I do not have time to do initiations. So I request other acaryas to attend to this duty."

Then again someone said there should be strict limitations and restrictions on who could be initiated. Some nodded in agreement but others were not pleased by this method and insisted that as acaryas their role was to deliver spirituality to the masses - "bring all to the path of bliss". Finally, a few others countered that it was essential to be selective in giving diiksa otherwise the sanctity of Ananda Marga will be affected.

Keeping the aforementioned perspectives in mind, we now turn our attention to two dadas who share real life experiences on this topic of imparting diiksa.


How two Dadas failed to initiate

One Wt recounted a very moving situation wherein a person came to him for initiation and dada thought about it and told the person to come back the next week. In that short span of time the person died; he never got the chance to recite a siddha mantra in this life. Dada felt that ultimately he had wronged that person and committed a sin of omission (pratyavaya) by not initiating that person right away.
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Not only that but Dada understood that if he had initiated the brother then that person would have done sadhana for a few days before dying, in which case he would have gotten liberation (mukti) at the time of death - as per The Supreme Command. Instead, that person died without ever having done sadhana because he was never initiated; so he has to face all past samskaras. And it was uncovered that this person was a sinner so he might not even get human life again, rather animal life or worse. So it is a double or triple loss. Because (a) Dada did not initiate that brother, the person could not get mukti, (b) instead that person had to undergo terrible degeneration because of his samskaras. And finally, (c) Dada committed a sin of omission.

Hearing the above account, another dada said that he too had told an aspirant to come back in the next few days for initiation. In that period, dada was deported from the country and the person did not receive initiation as no other workers were in that area. This worker too felt remorse for not acting on the opportunity to give initiation. So this raised the query: How quickly should one get initiated?

More Wts join the debate


In response, two more dadas got involved in the debate. One dada was stating that he waits till a person is perfectly ready for receiving initiation - and that there is no other way. Then a second dada countered, "Oh I see, so every person you have initiated has become a Wt." The first dada kept mum as he understood the inner meaning. On this point he had to admit defeat since so many of those whom he had initiated had left Ananda Marga Pracaraka Samgha and left sadhana. No matter how hard one tries, not all initiated persons are going to stay. That second dada furthermore added that he prefers to initiate all kinds of people relatively quickly, so long as they express some basic interest in learning sadhana. Even then, he said it is surprising. Some who seem serious leave, while others surprise him by becoming strong sadhakas.
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Conclusion


The culminating consensus from the debate amongst those Wts is that people should get initiated as soon as possible, especially if the candidate shows even a little interest in yoga or spirituality. Once diiksa is given, then the person truly has the opportunity to progress on the path. And that is the quintessence of human life. Verily Sadguru Baba guides us of the importance of getting all the lessons of sadhana in a timely way. And that is impossible if one does not at least get initiated.

Ananda Marga Caryacarya states, "Human life is short. It is wise to get all the instructions regarding sádhaná as soon as possible." (1)

So our acaryas should aim to initiate a maximum amount of people, bringing all unto the path of bliss.

Namaskar,
In Him,
Anand Sagar

All told those Dadas who withhold and refrain from giving diiksa to interested parties are no different from the negative pseudo-guru Marpa who refused to teach sadhana to Milarepa because the dogmatic tradition was to withhold the teachings from the disciple for as long as possible. Those days the "gurus" were more concerned with preserving their own prestige so they preferred not to share their teachings and instead assigned arduous physical tasks to keep their disciples busy and test their loyalty. In a similar manner, acaryas should not have a long list of requirements that a person must meet before getting initiation. Rather, one should be keen to give people initiation so they can come under the shelter of Guru at the earliest.
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~ In-depth study ~

Here are a few teachings from Sadguru Baba.

(A) First Baba guides us that liberation is a sure guarantee, but one cannot get mukti if they are not initiated and ultimately practicing sadhana. In service to others, we should be vigilant to initiate one and all.

The Supreme Command states, "Those who perform sadhana twice a day regularly, the thought of Parama Purusa will certainly arise in their mind at the time of death; their liberation is a sure guarantee..." (2)

(B) Here below Baba graciously declares that "dharma is the property of the masses." Therefore all should have access to the lessons of sadhana.
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Ananda Marga ideology states, "Today, you should remember that Ananda Marga is not limited to a handful of honest and intellectual people. Rather, it is trying to rally thousands of people under the banner of one sublime ideology. I dedicate Ananda Marga in this DMC [Dharma Mahácakra: a spiritual gathering during which the Guru delivers several discourses] to all sections of society. Prior to this DMC, I would only discuss intellectual topics, but from this DMC onwards I have become a man of the people because I believe that dharma is the property of the masses, not the exclusive monopoly of a handful of so-called educated middle class elite. Dharma belongs to one and all. From this DMC, I recognize it as the property of the common people." (3)

References
1. Caryacarya - 2, Sadhana, Point #8
2. Supreme Command
3. Ananda Vacanamrtam - 7, Spiritual Truth Surpasses Everything, 3 January 1979, Patna


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The below section is an entirely different topic, unrelated to the above material.
It stands on its own merit as a point of interest and ideological awareness.

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== Section 2: Important Teaching ==

Horrific effect of religion


Ananda Marga philosophy states, "On the basis of religion human beings group together and indulge in internecine feuds. Such religions are responsible for spilling the blood of innocent men and women. I don't want to single out any religion as most do not follow the path of logic. Instead they prefer to inject a certain type of cheap sentiment into the human mind to cripple the intellect and impair rational judgement.”

Majhabme akkalká dakhl nehi hae.

[In religion there is no room for logical argument.]

Ananda Marga philosophy states, "In actual fact it makes the clear thinking of the human mind turbid. Religion has always commanded its followers to abide by its tenets. Those who dared show any logic were injected with a kind of fear complex. Moreover, the followers of the religions declared that their teachings were the revelations of God and had to be dutifully followed. Out of fear people submitted to this mandate. This is the basic defect of religion. On the basis of this hundreds of so-called scriptures were written in ambiguous language. Anything that destroys free thinking should not be called a scripture at all. Only that which develops the spontaneous development of human beings deserves to be called a scripture." (1)

Reference
1. A Few Problems Solved - 3, Human Society Is One and Indivisible – 3


== Section: Important Teaching ==

Spa care

Ananda Marga Caryacarya says, "The practices given below are prescribed only for specific diseases. Therefore, they are to be performed only after consultation with an a'ca'rya."

"Vistrta sna'na or vya'paka sna'na: A bathtub is most convenient, but if this is not available, an earthen trough will suffice. If this is not available either, a wet towel can be used, soaking it repeatedly in water. Fill the bathtub with cold water, and sit in it undressed so that  the area from the navel down remains submerged. Keep your feet dry and out of the tub. The area from the neck to the navel should be kept covered with a shirt or dry cloth. The crown of the head and the back of the head should be kept covered with a wet towel."

Ananda Marga Caryacarya says, "Now take another towel and rub the area from the right side of the abdomen to the groin seven or eight times. Do likewise on the left-hand side and horizontally from right to left and left to right. You should make sure that the towel on the head remains wet."

"After this, wipe the abdomen, hands and thighs and take a full bath. If this is not possible, then leave the tub wearing a shirt."

Ananda Marga Caryacarya says, "This should be practised behind closed doors. In the absence of a bathtub or an earthen trough, a wet towel may be wrapped around the areas to be bathed, but in order to compensate, cold water must be poured constantly over the towel, and the towel which is to be used for the massage must be kept wet. After vya'paka sna'na, the thighs, pubic area and abdomen should be warmed with a dry towel."

"Before and after this bath one should not eat, in order to allow the stomach to rest." (1)

Reference
1. Caryacarya - 3, Different Yoga Practices

== Section: Important Teaching ==

Why victims of exploitation

Ananda Marga philosophy states, “The exploited people are not even aware that they are being exploited. This is why it is easy to exploit them in the social sphere, then create inferiority complexes in their minds to keep them under prolonged administrative domination and perpetuate the exploitation. This is easily done by the cunning exploiters. And the tragedy is that the exploited mass do not try to understand – they cannot understand, and they even refuse to understand – that they are victims of exploitation. So this is more dangerous.” (1)

Reference
1. Prout in a Nutshell - 18, Various Forms of Exploitation

== Section: Important Teaching ==

Foolishness of atheists


Ananda Marga ideology guides us, "Self-awareness develops through clash. The awareness that develops through physical clash is termed jadábuddhi [crude physical intellect] because it is associated with jadá [matter]. The consciousness of animals and undeveloped human beings is matter-oriented. But even in developed human society, if someone is an atheist or a materialist, we can only term their intellect as jadábuddhi. Such people deny the existence of spirituality in order to hide their intellectual deficiencies. Their denial betrays their moral and intellectual bankruptcy. It does not speak of their glory, nor does it diminish the value of spirituality." (1)

Ananda Marga ideology says, "Devotion plays a positive role in the process of clash. Had there been no factor to maintain the balance among all the objects created within the Macrocosmic Mind, the entire structure of the universe would have fallen apart. For the sake of harmony and balance within the universe, there is a mutual attraction among all the objects; each microcosm attracts the other microcosms. All finite microcosms – the innumerable manifestations of the Supreme Entity – are entitled to that universal love with which It has bound each microcosm to Itself, entitled to the wave of that universal love, in which Its divine ocean of bliss is perennially flowing. Attraction is the innate characteristic of microcosms. When this attraction is for finite objects, it is called káma [“physical longing”], and when it surges towards the Cosmic Entity, it is called prema [“divine love”]. Of course, káma is nothing but a limited form of prema. When microcosms rush towards Parama Puruśa [Supreme Consciousness] attracted by the irresistible force of divine love, it is termed “devotion”. Since clash drives the microcosms towards subtlety, it follows that clash must be the sustainer of devotion." (2)

Reference
1. Ananda Marga Ideology & Way of Life - 8, Cosmic Attraction and Spiritual Cult
2. Ananda Marga Ideology & Way of Life - 8, Cosmic Attraction and Spiritual Cult

== Section: Comment ==

Re: Importance of this lesson

প্রাণায়ামের অভাবে ধ্যান হৰে না

নমস্কার,

আনন্দমার্গের সাধনা পদ্ধতিতে সৰ লেসনগুলি সমান গুরুত্বপূর্ণ | সাধনার সময় কোন লেসন উপেক্ষা করা উচিত নয় |

প্রাণায়াম প্রধানত শারীরিক প্রয়াস হলেও মনের ওপর এর প্রভাব অপরিসীম | প্রাণায়ামে শরীরের দশটি প্রাণবায়ু নিয়ন্ত্রিত হয় | ফলে যারা যথাযথভাবে প্রাণায়াম করে, তারা সংয়মের সাথে কাজ করার ক্ষমতা আয়ত্ব করে | কেননা প্রকৃতিগতভাবে শ্বাস-প্রশ্বাসের উপর নিয়ন্ত্রণ করেই প্রাণায়ামে মনকে সংযত করা হয় | শরীর সংযত হলে মনও সংযত হয় |

প্রাণায়াম ছাড়া sixth lesson অর্থহীন | যথাযথভাবে ধ্যান করার জন্য প্রাণায়াম অভ্যাস করা চরমভাবে জরুরী | ৰাৰা এই কথাটি ৰহু ৰার ৰলেছেন | ফলে বিভিন্ন দিক থেকে এটা অত্যন্ত স্পষ্ট যে আমাদের সাধনা পদ্ধতির অপরিহার্য অঙ্গ হচ্ছে প্রাণায়াম | আনন্দমার্গের আদর্শের নির্দেশনায় ৰলা হয়---প্রাণায়াম যথেষ্টভাবে অভ্যাস না করলে ধ্যানের অভ্যাস
অর্থহীন |

প্রাণায়াম করার নিয়ম

প্রাণায়াম সম্পর্কে ৰাৰার সতর্কবাণী হচ্ছে--- প্রত্যেক সাধক যেন নিশ্চিত থাকে প্রাণায়াম শুরু করার আগে তার মনটি সম্পূর্ণভাবে ভূমা ভাবনায় ভাবিত | আনন্দমার্গের সাধনা পদ্ধতিতে প্রাণায়ামের প্রধান শর্ত হচ্ছে ভূমার ভাব গ্রহণ করা | এভাবে পুরো প্রাণায়াম প্রক্রিয়াটি শেষ না করে মাঝখানে প্রাণায়াম ছেড়ে দেওয়া উচিত নয় | তিনি প্রাণায়ামের সুফল থেকে বঞ্চিত হৰেন | প্রত্যেকেই যেন দৃঢ়ভাবে প্রাণায়ামকে সাধনার অন্যতম প্রধান অঙ্গ ৰলে অভ্যাস করে |

প্রাণায়ামের মাধ্যমে মন সুচগ্র হয় | ৰাৰা এর জন্যই প্রত্যেক সাধককে নিয়মিতভাবে ও কঠোরভাবে প্রাণায়াম অভ্যাস করার জন্য উৎসাহিত করেছেন |

নমস্কার,
বিবেকানন্দ

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== Section: Ananda Vanii ==

Hasten that auspicious moment 

Original Ananda Vanii states: “The fact that the fortune of every individual, not only of this earth but of the entire cosmos, has been wreathed together, will have to be admitted one day by people. The spiritual aspirant has to hasten that auspicious moment by pauseless effort, service and propagation of the great Ideology. This alone is the Supreme task for the present humanity.”  (Ananda Vanii #30)

Note: Sadguru Baba has assigned a number to all His original and true Ananda Vaniis. In contrast, Fake Ananda Vaniis do not have any number. By this simple formula, one can easily recognise which is a true Ananda Vanii and which is fake. For the upcoming occasion of January 1st 2017, all Ananda Marga units should use one of Baba’s original and true Ananda Vaniis, not a fake one. By this way, one will surely get His blessing.


== Section: Important Teaching ==

How people are being educated

Ananda Marga philosophy says, "The system of education prevailing today was formulated or evolved long ago, mainly with a view to suit the needs of the capitalist class. For the last three to four thousand years, the same type of education is being imparted. The main purpose behind this sort of educational system is to create persons with a slavish mentality to fulfill need of those capitalist exploiters. This sort of education is fundamentally defective. It is certain that this type of education which serves the capitalists' interests is not at all suitable. This sort of education creates obstacles in the evolution of humanity. We have to thoroughly revamp the entire educational system. A new educational system must evolve to produce sadvipras." (1)

Note: Those who are bragging about the standard of their education should know what type & what category of knowledge they have. In this regard, we should ponder Sadguru Baba's above guideline.

Reference
1. 11/29/70, General Darshan

Bullying: children need our attention + 3 more

Baba

Bullying: children need our attention

Namaskar,

As parents, the easiest thing to do is to get caught up in our own lives and lose sight of what our children are really going through. This is especially true in this age of extreme materialism and busyness. Being a parent, counselor, and spouse, this has become a big issue in our household and neighborhood.

Daily meditation affords us the time and space to reflect and feel that inner link with Parama Purusa. That softens the heart and brings life into focus.

At the same time, in my week I come across many cases where families are caught up in the tidal wave of materialism. In that storm, the children's needs get pushed aside, or even lost entirely.
http://anandamargauniversal.blogspot.com/

One key point that comes up again and again is kids getting bullied at school. Bullying comes in the form of children getting beaten up, threatened, scared, abused, teased, ridiculed, humiliated etc. To brush these incidents off as just meagre occurrences is an injustice to our children. Bullying has devastating short-term and long-term effects on our kids. It must not be tolerated.

Here is a look at the causes, effects, and solutions to this problem of bullying. Please be mindful of this issue in your area with your kids and do share your thoughts on this important topic.

Bullying: why an important issue


At first, as a reader you might think that when there are so many gigantic problems in the world, why spend time talking about this issue of bullying. After all, covid, the economy, women's rights, wars, environmental devastation, and numerous other burning issues - why then talk about bullying.

The answer is simple. Most of the problems in the world are due to human neglect. We need proper people to turn things around. Yet those who get bullied as kids suffer both short-term and long-term issues - severely impacting their human growth and development. Bullying is completely traumatic and affects one's relations, life choices, sleep, dreams, self-esteem, psychic constitution and other factors.

As a child, one's entire life revolves around school and friends. And if that world is shattered due to bullying - either in-person or online - it is tantamount to an adult losing their career, getting a divorce, being exiled from their church or community, and losing all one's personal property - all at the same time. A child's existence at school is central to who they are. If their prestige and stature is squashed in school, then that shakes their whole existence to the very bone. Those experiences can scar them for life.
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Plus bullying is a two-way street; both parties are hampered. Those who get bullied feel inferior, unconfident, shaky, and worried. That can last for decades - or even their whole life. Those who do the bullying often grow up as quarrelsome, mal-adjusted people who spoil society wherever they go.

Hence, the issue is a big one with far-ranging effects. None should naively think that what happens in the schoolyard gets left in the schoolyard. Rather those feelings and events get dragged through one's entire life. As adults, it is our duty to know what is going on with our kids - lest they fall by the wayside and get submerged into so many problems like bullying. We should be critically aware if bullying is going on with our kids and take it as a major event if it is happening.


Materialism: how it leads to bullying

Unfortunately, now in this materialistic era, the real needs of children are often ignored both at home and in school. Today, children are a mere by-product of sexual lust. Often the parents are not married and are "upset" that they got pregnant. And in the case of married people, they are quick to get the baby out of their own bedroom and into a separate room so they - the married couple - can resume their sensual nights and not be disturbed by a baby.

Here the main critical aspect is that children come into this world and are not wanted, loved, and embraced in the way that is needed for them to grow properly. This is perhaps the most dangerous outcome of materialism and affects the whole society. And the root cause is extreme selfishness.
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Because parents are too busy with their own jobs, because adults are too sunk in their own sensual pleasures and selfish engagements, because those parents were often themselves ignored as kids, and for so many other reasons, children often grow up in a whirlpool of isolation, desperately thinking that they are not loved.

Plus in our schools, because teachers are underpaid and undervalued, the applicant pool is not very strong and we often do not have our highest quality people going into the teaching profession. Oversized classrooms, growing violence, and a huge array of behavioral issues, contribute to the problems. Schools in the west often resemble counseling centers or even jails, not centers of learning. The children then are not introduced to a proper code of conduct nor given a proper cosmic outlook. Rather they are submerged in all kinds of social ills.

With this dramatic deficit both at home and in schools, our children are frustrated, angry, isolated, and littered with so many psychic and emotional troubles.


Conclusion

The outcome of all this is that our children are prone to either bullying others or to being bullied themselves. This is a problem especially in the west, but really anywhere materialism becomes a stronghold. In that sense, we all are at risk - kids everywhere are susceptible.

In Him, 
Hariish
Henry Jensen

A veritable solution to bullying


Baba has graciously given various social functions like ja'takarma (baby naming ceremony) to create a familial and benevolent connection between human beings. In this ceremony, Ananda Margiis take an oath to be responsible for the upbringing of the child. It is their duty to watch over and protect that young one. When this feeling resonates all around and pervades the society, whereby all are helping and watching over one another, then there is a strong social bond. 
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Bullying and other social ills like alienation can only crop up in a selfish, materialistic society where people only care about themselves. 

When from the outset of life one feels in their heart that they have a relationship with all, based on the bonds of social responsibility and spirituality, then the inclination to hurt or senselessly beat others disappears, and side by side one will ensure no one else suffers in this way. Then bullying will meet its end.

Ananda Marga Caryacarya states:

“O gracious Brahma, may we unitedly be able to arrange for the upkeep, medical care and physical growth of this infant who has entered our society today.

O gracious Brahma, may we be able to provide adequate education for the mental development of this infant who has entered our society today. 

O gracious Brahma, may we succeed, through proper education, in effecting the spiritual elevation of this infant who has entered our society today.

O gracious Brahma, may we be able to see Your pervasive manifestation in this infant, in the form of which You have appeared to us today.

We collectively give this baby the name..." (1)

Ananda Marga philosophy states, "The mantra of Játakarma is the first step of human approach in rousing the sense of responsibility and affection in man." (2)

References
1. Caryacarya - 1, Infant's Játakarma: The Naming of and First Feeding of Solid Food to an Infant
2. Táttvika Diipiká (Caturtha Parva)


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The below sections are entirely different topics, unrelated to the above material.
They stand on their own as points of interest.

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== Section 2: Prabhat Samgiita ==

You removed all negativity

"A'ma'r pran'a'm na'o tumi prabhu, toma'y a'mi bha'laba'si..." (Prabhat Samgiita #2692)

Purport:

Prabhu, please accept my sastaunga pranam. I am surrendering everything at Your lotus feet. I love You so much. Your eternal flute calls me continuously through the omkara sound. That exquisite vibration resounds in my sleep, dreams, and awakened state.

Baba, I search for You in my each and every action. Keeping Your name in my heart, I go on fighting against all difficulties and dangers in my life, whenever and wherever they arise. In this entire universe only You are most adorable for me. I perceive You in each and every thought, word, and deed. My body, mind, and heart have become one with You. My whole existence is saturated in Your ideation. It is Your krpa’.

Baba, Parama Purusa with a smiling face, You always float in my vision. Please shower Your karuna on me incessantly. Whatever my needs are, You always fulfill them. You have removed all the cimmerian darkness, dogma, negativity from my mind. By Your causeless grace, You are doing everything for me. Baba, I am pulled by the longing for You in the depths of my heart. Please accept my sa’s’t’aunga prana’m... 


== Section: Important Teaching ==

Water & cure

Sadguru Baba says, "To maintain the internal functions of the body without hindrance and to maintain the internal liquid balance, everyone should drink a sufficient quantity of water every day. A healthy person can consume three or four seers of water a day, a sick person four or five seers, and a person suffering from skin disease, five or six seers. These amounts of water help cure disease to a great extent." (1)

Note: One seer is very close to one liter.

Reference
1. Yogic Treatments, Appendix, A. Water Drinking


== Section: Important Teaching ==

Foolishness of casteism / racism

Ananda Marga philosophy states, “Another excellent example of vested interest is the caste system! Once a section of people established its supremacy over others through the power of superior knowledge and intellect. Even today the descendants of that section of people want their social supremacy and opportunities for exploitation to continue unchallenged.” (1)

Note: Around the globe by one way or another people exploit their fellow human beings. Racists think that those with a different skin colour are inferior. So-called higher caste Hindus think that the lower caste is inferior. By this way they inject an inferiority complex and exploit others. Remember: when all humans have come from apes then were there Aryan apes or brahmin apes? The conclusion is that these distinctions of casteism and racism are man-made to exploit others. Verily, racism and casteism are preposterous. Those who believe and propagate these rotten dogmas and unjust notions are human-shaped animals. They are a burden to the peace and tranquility of society. 

Reference
1. Problems of the Day, Point #6


== Section: Important Teaching ==

Sadhana & Prout

Ananda Marga ideology guides us, "You have to bring about your own spiritual salvation. If one does not try for one's own salvation, if one does not do spiritual practice, one can never serve society. It will be totally impossible." (1)

Note: There are a few who think that any type of mundane social activist, who is not even God-oriented, can be an ideal Prout leader. Some get enamoured with the popularity and tall talks of some so-called orators. In their naïveté they think that the person at the podium can bring and lead society forward and establish Prout etc
However, in Baba's above teaching, He clearly guides us that only those deeply involved in sadhana and equipped with the force of spirituality can provide the soothing balm to the exploited humanity. Without spirituality one can never render true service to society. Hence being on the path of sadhana is an essential requisite for serving the world.

Reference
1. Subhasita Samgraha - 24, Incantation and Human Progress


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