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Thursday, October 30, 2014

Dispute in Unit - Need Your Suggestion

Baba


DISPUTE IN UNIT - NEED YOUR SUGGESTION

Namaskar,
One well-wisher* of Ananda Marga  - Mr. Kareem Mohammad - just started a new business. He is opening a slaughter house that will process around 200 animals everyday.

Since Mr Mohammad belives in religious harmony, for inauguration of his slaughterhouse he invited Vaisnavas to sing Hari Ram Hari Krsna kiirtan for six hours.

But those vaisnavas refused because they do not support the slaughtering of animals - they regard that as sin. So they adamantly declined the invitation.

So then in desperation, Mr. Kareem Mohammad has requested us to arrange the six-hour kiirtan and feast at the inauguration ceremony of his slaughterhouse.

A big debate has ensued.

Some support the idea of conducting the kiirtan and say that it is no problem. The kiirtan will purify the whole environment. We can sing and then have a feast there. There is not need to worry that on that site they will be slaughtering animals - that is of no concern. The kiirtan will make everything pure.

Other margiis vehemently opposed this. They told that it will be a violation of our main dharmic principles and Caryacarya. Doing the kiirtan there means condoning the animal slaughter. So we must not do this.

Then supporters of the program gave this counter response. Our Ananda Marga Caryacarya does not support the annual death day ceremony and the feast of that ceremony, i.e. shraddhanna. But even then we do kiirtan and eat at such programs because the kiirtan purifies everything. So why not do kiirtan and eat at the slaughterhouse and enjoy a feast there.


OUR REQUEST - PLEASE HELP RESOLVE THIS ISSUE

So now the question we present to all margiis is this:

Should we do the 6-hour kiirtan and feast at the inauguration of this slaughterhouse or not??

Namaskar,
in Him,
Shyam Narayan

NB - This kiirtan / feast will be from 9a to 3p and then the slaughterhouse factory will begin its operations.

* Mr. Kareem Mohammad is a well-wisher as he donates money - from time to time - to our children's home.

Sunday, October 26, 2014

Violent Movies Make Kids Criminals + दीपावली की चमचमाती संध्या, तुम्हारे दिव्य प्रेमदीप से प्रज्ज्वलित हो गयी है।

Baba

This email contains four sections:
1. Quote: Violent Movies Make Kids Criminals
2. PS #1894: दीपावली की चमचमाती संध्या, तुम्हारे दिव्य प्रेमदीप से प्रज्ज्वलित हो गयी है।
3. Comment: Re: Baba Story: Deadly Entertainment
4. Links


Violent Movies Make Kids Criminals

   "Many people in society do not become criminals because of physiological or hereditary factors. Nor do they become involved in criminal activities due to the influence of base propensities, or due to lack of education or social control. Yet today civilized society looks down on them because they are criminals when they could have been revered as ideal human beings with impeccable characters if they had been given a proper environment."
   "They are glaring examples that honest people can become dishonest as a result of environmental pressures. The sensitive, honest son of a villainous father is compelled to participate in antisocial activities out of fear of paternal abuse. This creates a habit which eventually becomes part of his nature." (Human Society - 1, Justice)

   "In the modern world there is a wide variety of films which excite the passions and have a degrading influence on boys and girls, adolescents and young men and women. Such films create in cinema-goers the desire to emulate in their individual lives the criminal activities, the vulgar expressions of love, or the adventurous behaviour that they see enacted on the screen. This is another example of how keeping bad company causes depravity. Many cinema-goers imagine that the characters that they see on the screen are their actual acquaintances, but when they try to emulate these characters, they discover that the real world is much tougher than the world portrayed by the cinema." (Human Society - 1, Justice)


Example: 8-Year-Old Boy Killed His Grandmother

Note: Below is a recent news report. An eight-year-old boy shot and killed his 87-year-old grandmother directly after playing a violent video game. Such video games are graphic interactions where players ruthlessly and mechanically kill all kinds of people etc. According to Ananda Marga philosophy, we know that such games have dangerous effects on participants, especially impressionable youths. These games deeply  engage players who become deeply involved and engrossed - they think they actually killed those people. They become so brainwashed that they cannot differentiate between their computer world and real life affairs. We must not allow children to see such violent movies and play such violent video games. So many dastardly crimes have occurred because of these violent video games and movies.

Here following are select excerpts of that news report.

(CNN) -- An 8-year-old Louisiana boy intentionally shot and killed his elderly caregiver after playing a violent video game, authorities say.
Marie Smothers was pronounced dead at the scene with a gunshot wound to the head in a mobile home park in Slaughter, Louisiana, the East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's Department said in a prepared statement. Slaughter is about 20 miles north of Baton Rouge. Authorities identified the woman as the boy's "caregiver," without stating whether she is a relative. But CNN affiliate WBRZ reported that the woman was the boy's grandmother. Smothers was 87, public records show. "By accounts of relatives of the victim, as well as friends of the family, the victim and the juvenile had a normal, loving, relationship and even shared the same bedroom," the sheriff's department said…

Violence in video games
While the motive is unclear, the sheriff's department implied the child's activities in a violent virtual world may have led to the killing.
"Although a motive for the shooting is unknown at this time investigators have learned that the juvenile suspect was playing a video game on the Play Station III 'Grand Theft Auto IV,' a realistic game that has been associated with encouraging violence and awards points to players for killing people, just minutes before the homicide occurred." (Courtesy of Cable News Network)
 
 
== Section 2 ==
 

~ दीपावली की चमचमाती संध्या, तुम्हारे दिव्य प्रेमदीप से प्रज्ज्वलित हो गयी है। ~

प्रभातसंगीत
1894 - आलोकोज्जवल एई सन्ध्याय....

भावार्थ

ए परमपुरुष! इस दीपावली की चमचमाती संध्या, तुम्हारे दिव्य प्रेमदीप से प्रज्ज्वलित हो गयी है। तुम वह दिव्य सत्ता हो जिसके मन की मधुरता ने कृपालुता से मेरे सभी दोष और दुर्गुणों का मेरे मानसिक पटल से सफाया कर दिया है। तुमने मुझे स्वच्छ और शुद्ध  कर दिया है। ए दिव्य! वह कौनसी सत्ता है जिसने बड़ी दयालुता से मेरे मानसिक आकाष में पदार्पण किया है।

ए परमसत्ता! तारे और ग्रह सभी तुम्हारे लिये प्यार भरे हृदय के दीप जलाते हैं। तुम्हारी अनन्त भव्य सत्ता को देखकर यह महान चाॅंदी की चमक वाली आकाशगंगा भी अवाक् रह जाती है। ए प्रकाशमान! तुम नाचते जा रहे हो और मेरे अत्यंत उत्प्लावित हृदय में तैर रहे हो जिससे वह स्वयं चमक रहा है, तुम्हारी  दयालुता महान है।

हे बाबा! मैं सैकड़ों जन्मों से तुम्हें चाहता रहा हॅूं और असंख्य जीवन और मृत्युओं के चक्र के बीच तुम्हारे लिये तरसता रहा हॅूं, और तुम्हारी कृपा से मैंने बार बार नया जीवन पाया है और हमेशा  तुम्हारी चाह को मन में बसाया है। मैं अपने हृदय के प्रत्येक अंश  से तुम्हारे प्रेम के  लिये तरसता रहा हॅूं। तुम्हारी कृपा से मेरा मन तुम्हारे गहरे आकर्षण से भर गया है और मैं भक्ति के प्रकाश  से भर गया हूँ  । तुम्हारी अहेतुकी कृपा से मैं तुम्हारे दिव्य प्रेम से छलक रहा हॅूं।

ए दिव्यसत्ता, परमपुरुष! आज तुमने इस दीप्तिमान दीपावली की रात को मेरे हृदय में आने की अपार कृपा की है।


- Dr. T.R. Sukul


Following is the phonetic spelling in Roman Script of the above purport:


~ Dīpāvalī kī camacamātī sandhyā, tumhārē divya prēmadīpa sē prajjvalita hō gayī hai ~

Prabhātasaṅgīta 1894 - ālōkōjjavala ē'ī sandhyāya...

Bhāvārtha

ē paramapuruṣa! Isa dīpāvalī kī camacamātī sandhyā, tumhārē divya prēmadīpa sē prajjvalita hō gayī hai. Tuma vaha divya sattā hō jisakē mana kī madhuratā nē kr̥pālutā sē mērē sabhī dōṣa aura durguṇōṁ kā mērē mānasika paṭala sē saphāyā kara diyā hai. Tumanē mujhē svaccha aura śud'dha kara diyā hai. Ē divya! Vaha kaunasī sattā hai jisanē baṛī dayālutā sē mērē mānasika ākāṣa mēṁ padārpaṇa kiyā hai.

Ē paramasattā! Tārē aura graha sabhī tumhārē liyē pyāra bharē hr̥daya kē dīpa jalātē haiṁ. Tumhārī ananta bhavya sattā kō dēkhakara yaha mahāna cāĕndī kī camaka vālī ākāśagaṅgā bhī avāk raha jātī hai. Ē prakāśamāna! Tuma nācatē jā rahē hō aura mērē atyanta utplāvita hr̥daya mēṁ taira rahē hō jisasē vaha svayaṁ camaka rahā hai, tumhārī dayālutā mahāna hai.

Hē bābā! Maiṁ saikaṛōṁ janmōṁ sē tumhēṁ cāhatā rahā hĕūṁ aura asaṅkhya jīvana aura mr̥tyu'ōṁ kē cakra kē bīca tumhārē liyē tarasatā rahā hĕūṁ, aura tumhārī kr̥pā sē mainnē bāra bāra nayā jīvana pāyā hai aura hamēśā tumhārī cāha kō mana mēṁ basāyā hai. Maiṁ apanē hr̥daya kē pratyēka anśa sē tumhārē prēma kē liyē tarasatā rahā hĕūṁ. Tumhārī kr̥pā sē mērā mana tumhārē gaharē ākarṣaṇa sē bhara gayā hai aura maiṁ bhakti kē prakāśa sē bhara gayā hūm̐ . Tumhārī ahētukī kr̥pā sē maiṁ tumhārē divya prēma sē chalaka rahā hĕūṁ.

Ē divyasattā, paramapuruṣa! Āja tumanē isa dīptimāna dīpāvalī kī rāta kō mērē hr̥daya mēṁ ānē kī apāra kr̥pā kī hai.

- Dr. T.R. Sukul


== Section 3 ==


Re: Baba Story: Deadly Entertainment

Namaskar to all
Story is so inspiring sometimes we also do mistake . i am going to spread this message in all my groups and will request people to follow and i will be there with them to do so. Because what i learned is instead of saying GO AND DO its better to say LET'S DO.
Namaskar,
Manisha Devi

Note: Here is that story....


Saturday, October 11, 2014

MAHAPRAYAN OF YOUNG AVADHUTA


MAHAPRAYAN OF YOUNG AVADHUTA

(Courtesy of Ananda Marga Google Groups)

Namaskar,

Today (Oct 11) at 6.15 pm, at Kolkata hospital, young and energetic dada Abhayshankarananda passed away. He was only 43 years  old.

After Banglore DMS, he suffered from some unique infection in his hand while travelling in train. He was immediately admitted in to hospital. The deadly infection spread throughout his body. He could not recover since then.

He got very sick on way back to Kolkata after the Bangalore DMS (In the beginning of Sept). He was rushed to the Ruby hospital in Kolkata where Doctors said that some flesh eating bacteria had attacked and paralyzed his entire body. He was kept in ICU for about 12 days in Ruby Hospital. When there was no sign of any improvement rather his health was deteriorating day by day, he was shifted to the Apollo Hospital (The best Hospital in Kolkata).

There doctors suggested that his left hand had to be removed in order to save his life as the bacteria was spreading from there and all agreed on that and finally his left hand was removed. But even then there was no improvement that doctors had anticipated. Doctors tried their best  but eventually could not do anything to save him and he breathed his last at 6:15 PM this evening.

Dada Abhayashankaranandaji was only 43 years of age, dynamic,sweet and smiling nature,very hard working, very responsible truly an asset for Baba's mission. He became acarya in the year 1999 and became avadhuta in 2003. He was the EI -1 central, managing Education department, Children Homes Dept. and personally looking after the Children Home and degree college at Ananda Nagar.


== Section ==

The section below demarcated by asterisks is an entirely different topic,
completely unrelated to the above material. It stands on its own as a point of interest.

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Whom We Should Honour

“To those who think for all . . .
who offer others seats of honour and respect . . .
who venerate others, instead of waiting to be venerated –
to them I dedicate this book with humble esteem and deepest salutations.”
(Liberation of Intellect - Neo-Humanism, Dedication page)

- Shrii Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar

Note: In the above lines, it is obvious we should give first priority to honouring those whom nobody honours.
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Friday, October 10, 2014

Help - What Should Be Done

Baba

HELP - WHAT SHOULD BE DONE

Namaskar,
Here we, the members of our bhukti, present to you one troubling issue and we eagerly await your advice.


BACKGROUND

Approximately six months ago - "Mahesh" as we refer to him here - was initiated into Ananda Marga sadhana and became an active member of our bhukti. For the years and decades before that - since his birth - he was a devout Hindu.

As a Hindu, Mahesh regularly observed his grandfather's mahaprayan (annual death ceremony) for the past 20 years. Since his family is a big land owner, they had the finances to host large mahaprayan gatherings complete with a grand feast for the entire village, extensive clothing distribution, and comprehensive medical camps.

All this was regularly organised on the anniversary of Mahesh's grandfather's mahaprayan. The belief was that by this annual program, his grandfather would accrue virtue in heaven and be more comfortable. The food they served, the clothing they distributed, and the medicine they dispensed would directly benefit their grandfather in heaven - per Hindu custom.


ISSUE-AT-HAND

The problem now is that Mahesh is an Ananda Margii and his grandfather's death day anniversary is fast approaching. And this year, Mahesh is eagerly planning for a grand mahaprayan commemoration and wants to invite Ananda Margiis from all over - from all the surrounding units etc.

In our unit, we have been divided as to what should be done. In private meetings, in Mahesh's absence, we have vociferously debated what to do.

(a) Some have advocated saying nothing and allowing him to host his annual mahaprayan program for his grandfather - and margiis may or may not attend.

(b) Some have advised that Mahesh should hold the program as usual, only the name of it should be changed to samkalpa divas.

(c) Others said let the program go on as is, but Ananda Margiis must not attend. This would obviously strain our relation with Maheshji.

(d) Some argued that the program must be stopped entirely. Then some inquired why should it be stopped.

They replied that, “Any annual mahaprayan observance is a shraddha ceremony.”

“So”, was the response.

Then further reply was given, including a full review of Ananda Marga teachings.


ANANDA MARGA - THE PATH OF BLISS - WILL LOSE ITS MEANING

“Well, according to Ananda Marga philosophy and Caryacarya, any kind of death related ceremonies like cremation, shraddhainjali, shraddha, burial, or any type of ceremony for the deceased, the person who died, or the grieving family must be done within 12 days of the time of death. Ananda Marga is the path of bliss and sad ceremonies are not to be repeated - month after month, year after year. Otherwise Ananda Marga - the path of bliss - will lose the meaning of its name, and it will be called sad (dukha) marga, not the path of bliss. So there is no scope for an annual shraddha / death day / mahaprayan program in our Ananda Marga.”


NOT EXTEND BEYOND TWELVE DAYS

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, "The period of mourning should not extend beyond twelve days. If you wish, you can perform the shráddha ceremony any day within this period according to convenience. During the period of mourning you should not subject yourself to unnecessary mortification or ostentatious penance." (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


PSYCHIC SUPERSTITIONS OF GHOSTS, SHRÁDDHA

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, “The psychic superstitions of ghosts, shráddha, etc., also do not find any place in the Marga. Ghosts are only imaginary, and performing shráddha by giving dána [gifts] to Brahmans to take a departed soul across the Vaetárnii River [the mythological river which must be crossed to enter heaven], is only a psychic misrepresentation inculcated from the very beginning. These ideas are not rational, and therefore believing in them is not correct. This is the view taken in the Marga.” (AFPS-7, Social Psychology)


SOUL DOES NOT GET ANY ADVANTAGE FROM THE SHRÁDDHA

Ananda Marga philosophy guides us, “The departed soul does not get any advantage from the shráddha ceremony [memorial ceremony]. It is only meant for the psychic satisfaction of the person performing it.” (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


SHRÁDDHA CEREMONY TO BE USELESS AND MEANINGLESS

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, “What happens when a man dies? Death results in the loss of any physical relationship between the human mind and the human body ( i.e., the protozoic & metazoic cells and their minds). The nerves are dead. Therefore, the mind, on the physical death of the individual, does not remember anything physical. It is for this reason that we hold the Shráddha ceremony to be useless and meaningless. This also explains the English saying: out of sight, out of mind. But the longing for the Macrocosm is psycho-spiritual in character and therefore your mind is engaged in it even after the death of your physical body.” (SS-18, Knowledge and Human Progress)


SHRADDHAINJALI IS ALSO SHRÁDDHA

Ananda Marga philosophy guides us, “In each and every corner of the world there is some usage or other prevalent among the human race of that area regarding their duty to deceased persons, to the dead. This event, this observance, is known as “shráddha” in Saḿskrta. There are innumerable types of observances, but they all come under the same heading, shráddha.”


CHEATING BUSINESS - 1

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, "Now let us see some of the prevalent usages of the world in connection with this shraddhá, or shráddha. When you offer something with shraddhá, it is shráddha. A priest may say that your father will die only once, and so after his death you should arrange for a sufficient quantity of food-stuffs, a sufficient quantity of edibles, a sufficient quantity of clothes, etc., for him. And that has been done in India for about five thousand years, since the time of the Atharva Veda. And people have generally offered rice and sesame, also honey and ghee, to be consumed by that person who has left the world.”  (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


CHEATING BUSINESS - 2

Ananda Marga philosophy guides us, “In some other corners of the world, people wait for forty days, and after forty days they offer a particular type of prayer, and that prayer is supposed to make the position of the dead person secure. Is this logical? Certainly not. All these things done in the name of shráddha are nothing but a cheating business.” (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


BARLEY, WINE, WOOL FOR DEAD

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, “In prehistoric times also, those people of less-developed intellect used to think in this same way, that even after death people require worldly objects. So in prehistoric times also you would find, looking within the graves, that they used to offer barley (at that time wheat was not popular), wine, honey, such things. And even now in India during shráddha they use these things – barley, wine, wool – so that the dead person will wrap that woollen cádar around themself, etc.” (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


THEY ARE LESS DEVELOPED IN INTELLECT

Ananda Marga philosophy teaches, “Now, as I told you, in all corners of the world this type of exploitation is going on. And why are the people being exploited? Because they are under the veil of superstition. They are superstitious people. They are less developed in intellect.” (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)


WHAT SHOULD BE DONE

After this long deliberation of Baba's teachings,  but even then some dogmatic-minded margiis do not like to give up their old rituals. So we ask your help.

So now we bring this ideological conundrum to you. You see the issue that we are faced with and you now know the background of this case. And you are aware of the four basic "solutions" that have been put forward, enlisted above.

We humbly ask you: What should be done? What is the best way to proceed?

Kindly reply at the earliest because this matter is eating away at the core of our unit as there have been many heated debates about this and we really need to find some resolution - fast.

Awaiting your counsel.

in Him,
Pradiip Roy
Unit Secretary


Sunday, September 14, 2014

Antidote of Food Poisoning



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Antidote of Food Poisoning

Baba says, "Antidotes of poison - green turmeric, spinach leaves, basil...mainly black basil and secondly white basil or any kinds of basil." (SC-20 Bangla, disc 156)

Baba says, "If some negative effect is going on due to food poisoning or because of eating poisonous fish, then without any delay a sufficient quantity of spinach leaves should be eaten and by that way the poison will be antidoted."  (SC-20)

Note: These above quotes are excepts from a particular discourse in Shabda Cayanika.
          

Woman's Mahaprayan in Rajasthan: MPD #16

Baba

This email contains three sections:
1. Posting: Woman's Mahaprayan in Rajasthan: MPD #16
2. End Quote: Who Is Intelligent
3. Links


WOMAN’S MAHAPRAYAN IN RAJASTHAN: MPD #16

Namaskar,
Here is the scene from my Rajasthan where they are performing the mahaprayan (death ceremony) of one woman. In the Jain tradition, they parade the person through town to the cremation ground whereby the deceased is in an upright, seated position. That way the townspeople can see who died.

As you can see, they carefully wrap white cloth around the body of the deceased - including the forehead - in order to ensure she remains seated upright. No one should think this person is merely injured, and still breathing. She is dead; this is the occasion of her mahaprayan, and the white cloth is used to keep her propped up in one grand chair so all can see her.

This is in stark contrast to most traditions were the deceased is carried in a lying position with their face to the sky. One other point of note is that people are said to acquire virtue for touching / carrying the dead body and that is one reason why many rally around and are eager to participate.

Finally, family, friends, and well-wishers are paying their last respects prior to bringing the deceased to the cremation ground. Final preparations are being done.

And the newspaper announces this as a mahaprayan - as that is the second to last word in the heading of the article. So the mahaprayan program is common for ordinary citizens in my Rajasthan. But in my Rajasthan nobody does the mahaprayan of Lord Shiva or Lord Krsna.

So no one should naively think that the mahaprayan program is something glorious only to be used in a very special manner - for Taraka Brahma. The mahaprayan program is for the death of any common or unknown person who has made his departure from this world. That is why this mahaprayan is not used for Taraka Brahma because He did not depart - He is the eternal Parama Purusa. This is never done for Lord Shiva and Lord Krsna. So the mahaprayan program is just for ordinary humans, i.e. mortals. About this there should not be any confusion.

And as we know, in our Ananda Marga, there is no such thing as a yearly death ceremony or annual mahaprayan program.

"The period of mourning should not extend beyond twelve days." (Caryacarya-1, Shraddha Ceremony)

Sadguru never dies - even those getting initiated today in Ananda Marga will accept Lord Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji as Guru. So we must think deeply - must contemplate this matter. Baba is Sadguru and eternally present. We must think how far it is just to observe the mahaprayan (death) of that entity?



Namaskar,
in Him,
Champalal Sethi


Note: Search it on Google

Regarding the scene at this mahaprayan ceremony - to learn more about this tradition you can search in Google: “आज निकलेगी महाप्रयाण यात्रा”


== Section 2 ==

The section below demarcated by asterisks is an entirely different topic,
completely unrelated to the above material. It stands on its own as a point of interest.

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Who Is Intelligent

"Undeveloped human beings consider themselves to be very intelligent and thus at every step they invite innumerable obstacles in the material world. Later on, after climbing some rungs up the ladder of evolution, they realize form the core of their hearts the hollowness of their psychic capabilities. It is the natural rule of the universe that those who possess immense knowledge are quite conscious of their intellectual limitations, whereas people with superficial knowledge think just the opposite. The genuine way of learning for seekers of knowledge is to consider always that they know nothing." (AMIWL-10, The Cardinal Spirit of Action and the Supreme Stance of Devotion)
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Tuesday, September 9, 2014

Post-operative Complications of Circumcision

Baba

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POST-OPERATIVE COMPLICATIONS OF CIRCUMCISION

Namaskar,
Herein please find a video of a tragic case study of an infant that died due to hemorrhaging (i.e. blood loss) from the circumcision procedure. The short 2min video reviews the medical reports and interviews the parents. It is an informative but not graphic portrayal.

Also read important information from a doctors group about the various harmful complications that often arise from circumcision.


OUTLINE OF HARMFUL COMPLICATIONS FROM CIRCUMCISION
(Courtesy of Doctors Opposing Circumcision)

The immediate postoperative complications of circumcision may be classified as urinary retention, meatitis, meatal ulceration, meatal stenosis, skin tags, adhesions, skin bridges, concealed penis, phimosis, and miscellaneous complications. These complications are iatrogenic.


Urinary Retention

Circumcision sometimes results in urinary retention1 with possible obstructive uropathy.2 Bandages used in ritual circumcision may cause urinary retention.3,4 The plastic ring portion of the Plastibell® may also cause urinary retention,5 which may result in a ruptured bladder,6 renal failure,7 or interruption of circulation in the lower extremities.8,9 Urinary retention caused other complications that led to death in one reported case.10 Urinary retention is not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.


Adhesions and Skin-Bridges

The first step in the genital cutting of newborn boys is separation of the inner surface of the foreskin from the glans penis, to which it is fused at birth. The tearing, which Gracely-Kilgore (1984) compared with “skinning a squirrel,”11 leaves the surface of the glans penis and the inner lining of the foreskin raw. Newborn circumcision wounds are not sutured, so the residual foreskin heals wherever it falls. The residual foreskin may heal together with the glans penis, which results in adhesions that may form a skin bridge,11,12 resulting in tethering.1 Gracely-Kilgore reports that 15 percent of boys seen in her practice had adhesions and three percent required surgical correction.11 Adhesions may require surgical separation by a urologic specialist.13 Adhesions are not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.


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VIDEO:

DEATH OF INFANT DUE TO COMPLICATIONS FROM CIRCUMCISION


Click here to see the video documentary about the death of a baby who died from circumcision.


Click above to watch the video.

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Meatal Complications

Meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis are pathology only seen in circumcised boys who have been deprived of the protective foreskin. The connection between circumcision and these iatrogenic pathologies has been known at least since 1921.14 The exposure of the unprotected glans penis to the ammoniacal diaper (nappie) is generally believed to be the cause of inflammation and ulceration.14,15 Persad et al. (1995), however, have suggested that ischemia of the glans penis, caused by the severing of the frenular artery at circumcision, may be the etiologic factor.16 The ulceration may eventually result in the formation of scar tissue, restricting the opening of the urethra. Leitch (1970) reported 8 cases of meatal ulcer and 3 cases of meatal stenosis in a series of 200 circumcisions for an incidence of 5.5 percent.17 A meatotomy may be required to open the urethra.18-19 Meatal complications are not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.



Urinary Tract Infection

Several studies find that more than 50 percent of urinary tract infections (UTI) occur within 12-14 days after ritual circumcision.20-22.


Post-circumcision Phimosis

Oddly enough, circumcision, which is touted to prevent phimosis, actually causes phimosis.22,23 When the circumcision scar forms beyond the glans penis, a phimotic ring results, causing phimosis. Blalock et al. (2003) reported an incidence of 2.9 percent in circumcised boys.23 Leich reported that 11 out of 200 required recircumcision to correct post-circumcision phimosis.17.


Inconspicuous Buried, Trapped, or Concealed Penis

This iatrogenic condition occurs secondary to circumcision.24-30 A second surgery usually is necessary to effect a repair.28-30.


Keloid Formation

Keloids are an overgrowth of scar tissue. Keloids are reported after circumcision.31-33 They require surgical removal and repair.31-33.


Circulation Problems, Ischemia, Necrosis, and Gangrene

Circumcision severs arteries and veins including the frenular artery that supplies the glans penis,16 so it is not surprising that circulation problems are reported after circumcision. Gangrene of the penis,34-36 and of the glans penis,37,38 have been reported.


Miscellaneous Complications

Miscellaneous post-operative complications include chordee,39 inclusion cysts,40,41 lymphedema,40,41 neuromas,42 sub-cutaneous mass,43 and cancer.44


SENIOR ACARYA DIARY ON CIRCUMCISION

Following is Baba's guideline from Senior Acarya Diary where He clearly states that circumcision is not done in Ananda Marga. This is not one of our accepted practices. Instead, after reaching puberty the foreskin should be pulled back. If for any reason, the foreskin cannot be pulled back, then the below process should be done. Be aware that from infancy up to puberty, there is no need to pull back the foreskin.



CARYACARYA Part 2 - BANGLA EDITION



In the Bengali edition of Caryacarya part 2 and point #2 of Sixteen Points, Baba simply gives the instruction to pull back the foreskin. That is point #2 of Sixteen Points - there is no option given for circumcision.




 Note: Beware that from infancy up to puberty, there is no need to pull back the foreskin.

CIRCUMCISION:

A DOGMATIC RITUAL THAT HAS NO PLACE IN ANANDA MARGA

And here below Baba further classifies circumcision as a dogmatic ritual that has no place in our Ananda Marga this as a dogma:

"Certain practices were not originally religious rituals, but traditions or customs. Long ago the Jews started practising circumcision. When Moses converted some of his contemporaries to Judaism, and later when Mohammed converted some local people to Islam, neither prophet dared to instruct their new followers to discard the old customs they followed, consequently the old customs continued after their conversion." (PNS-21, How to Unite Human Society)

So circumcision is nothing but a holdover custom from thousands of years; it not based on science or rationality. And it was adopted by the Semitic religions. Thus this harmful tradition has just been blindly passed on from one community to the next.

in Him,
Pavan



Sunday, September 7, 2014

The Immediate Complications of Circumcision & More



Baba

This email contains two sections:
1. Posting & Video: The Immediate Complications of Circumcision & More
2. Links


If you already read this in email form and have come here to see the video, then scroll down to get the video...


THE IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS OF CIRCUMCISION

& MORE


Namaskar,
Here is one video (below) that details the process of one infant getting circumcised. The child is loudly crying and suffering. This is typical of circumcision whereby in the religious communities anesthesia is not used.

In addition, please find important and key information from medical professionals and texts from our Ananda Marga literature showing how we do not support the dogma of circumcision.


MEDICAL HISTORY OF CIRCUMCISION
(Courtesy of Video: Infant Circumcision Operation)

Infant circumcision was taken up in the United States, Australia and the English-speaking parts of Canada, South Africa, New Zealand and to a lesser extent in the United Kingdom. There are several hypotheses to explain why infant circumcision was accepted in the United States about the year 1900. The germ theory of disease elicited an image of the human body as a conveyance for many dangerous germs, making the public "germ phobic" and suspicious of dirt and bodily secretions. The penis became "dirty" by association with its function, and from this premise circumcision was seen as preventative medicine to be practised universally. In the view of many practitioners at the time, circumcision was a method of treating and preventing masturbation. Aggleton wrote that John Harvey Kellogg viewed male circumcision in this way, and further "advocated an unashamedly punitive approach." Circumcision was also said to protect against syphilis, phimosis, paraphimosis, balanitis, and "excessive venery" (which was believed to produce paralysis). Gollaher states that physicians advocating circumcision in the late nineteenth century expected public scepticism, and refined their arguments to overcome it.

Although it is difficult to determine historical circumcision rates, one estimate of infant circumcision rates in the United States holds that 32% of newborn American boys were being circumcised in 1933. Laumann et al. reported that the prevalence of circumcision among US-born males was approximately 70%, 80%, 85%, and 77% for those born in 1945, 1955, 1965, and 1971 respectively. Xu reported that the prevalence of circumcision among US-born males was 91% for males born in the 1970s and 84% for those born in the 1980s. Between 1981 and 1999, National Hospital Discharge Survey data from the National Center for Health Statistics demonstrated that the infant circumcision rate remained relatively stable within the 60% range, with a minimum of 60.7% in 1988 and a maximum of 67.8% in 1995. A 1987 study found that the most prominent reasons US parents choose circumcision were "concerns about the attitudes of peers and their sons' self concept in the future," rather than medical concerns. However, a later study speculated that an increased recognition of the potential benefits of neonatal circumcision may have been responsible for the observed increase in the US rate between 1988 and 2000. A report by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality placed the 2005 national circumcision rate at 56%.


THE IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS OF CIRCUMCISION
(Courtesy of Doctors Opposing Circumcision)

The immediate complications of circumcision may be classified as hemorrhage, infection, surgical mishap, other miscellaneous complications, and death.


Bleeding

The foreskin is highly vascularized,1 so hemorrhage is a particular problem and risk when the foreskin is cut. An artery that passes through the frenulum to provide blood to the glans penis is in danger of being severed.2 Williams & Kapila (1993) report bleeding to be the most common problem associated with circumcision.3

Special clamps are used to crush the skin to provide hemostasis. Old clamps may be worn, deformed, and fail to provide adequate crushing and hemostasis.4 When using the Plastibell® device, failure to tie the string tightly may result in bleeding.5

When a newborn is circumcised, there is great danger from bleeding because the prepuce is highly vascularized and because an infant’s body contains only 85ml/kg of blood.6 With so little total blood volume, a small loss of blood may cause exsanguination, hypovolemia, hypovolemic shock, and death.7-9 The coroner of Dade County, Florida reported the death of an infant from hemorrhage.7 Hiss et al. reported a hemorrhage followed by death.8 The coroner of British Columbia reported the death of a one-month-old infant from bleeding, exsanguination, hypovolemic shock, and multiple organ failure.9


Infection

Infection may range from the trivial to the life-threatening systemic infection.3

Life-threatening infections, includind septicemia and meningitis,10,11 tuberculosis,12,13 wound diphtheria,14 staphylococcus,15 and streptococcus,16 pyoderma17, impetigo,18,19 and scrotal abscess with salmonella infection,20 also have been reported. Scurlock & Pemberton (1977) reported a death from meningitis.11 The coroner of Ontario reported the death of a two-week-old infant from infection with Escherichia coli, intravascular coagulopathy, and hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy.21

There are several reports of a significant increase in urinary tract infection (UTI) after ritual circumcision.22-24

Necrotizing fasciitis25-27 and Fournier’s gangrene (gangrene of the scrotum) have been reported.28 Such infections require extensive debridement (surgical excision) of infected tissue, if the patient is to survive.25-28

Circumcision infections may be spread by hospital workers.16,29,30,32,33 Hospitals are increasingly infected with antibiotic-resistant pathogens. St. Catherines’s Hospital on Long Island experienced an outbreak of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) among circumcised boys in the hospital nursery.31 Any invasive procedure increases the risk of MRSA infection in the newborn nursery.32 Boys who are circumcised have a twelve-times greater risk of CA-MRSA infection.33


Surgical Accident

Circumcision is an imprecise surgical procedure. It is difficult to judge the amount of skin to excise. One problem is the removal of excess skin,3 which may denude the entire shaft of the penis and require an immediate corrective operation by a urologic specialist.34-36 Circumcision may also result in injuries to the urethra, including urethral fistula,37-39 which requires corrective surgery by a urologic specialist. A case of bivalving the glans penis caused by inserting the scissors into the urethra has been reported.40

Due to the difficulty in judging the correct amount of skin to excise, sometimes so little skin is removed that the penis does not appear to be circumcised. This may generate parental complaints and requests for a re-circumcision, although there is no medical indication for the second circumcision. Leith (1970) reported that, in his study of 200 circumcisions, 19 were recircumcisions.41 There is danger of painful erections if too much skin is removed.

More serious surgical mishaps include excision of part of the penis42-45 or glans penis,46-48 necrosis of the glans penis,48 necrosis of the penis caused by electrocautery devices,49-51 and total ablation or amputation of the penis.52


Death

Death may be the result of either bleeding7-9 or infection.11,12,15,21 There is no central registry of circumcision deaths, so the incidence of death from circumcision is controversial. Williams & Kapila (1993) characterize death as “rare.”3 Gairdner (1949), however, reported 16 deaths annually in Britain in the 1940s.53 Circumcision deaths may be attributed to bleeding or infection rather than the underlying circumcision. Few doctors are willing to acknowledge death from an elective, unnecessary, non-therapeutic, allegedly “minor,” surgical procedure. Gellis (1978) estimated there are more deaths from circumcision than from cancer of the penis (which would mean more than 200 deaths per year).54 (Prevention of penile cancer is not a valid excuse for circumcising. See Chapter 3.) Baker (1979) argued that there are at least 229 deaths per year in the United States from circumcision.55 Bollinger (2010) estimates 114 deaths in the United States annually from circumcision-related causes.56


Miscellaneous

Miscellaneous immediate complications of circumcision include life-threatening pulmonary embolism,57 apnea and projectile vomiting,58,59 tachycardia and heart failure,60 pneumothorax,61 and gastric rupture.62


ANANDA MARGA STAND ON CIRCUMCISION

Here below are two documents from our Ananda Marga literature that clearly show that Ananda Marga does not support the dogma of circumcision.


#1: From Senior Acarya Diary


#2: From Ananda Marga Social and Spiritual Practices



Summary: By the above two documents, it is very clear that Ananda Marga is wholly against the procedure of circumcision.



HOW CIRCUMCISION IS DONE
(Courtesy of Video: Infant Circumcision Operation)

A dorsal slit is necessary to slit the foreskin open to open the preputial cavity. After the foreskin has been cut open the bell can be inserted and placed on the glans.In order to apply the clamp the foreskin is grabbed with hemostats as the the bell and the glans have to be maneuvered through the bevel hole.

The arms of the bell are here maneuvered through the bottom of the bevel hole in the base plate. As soon as the bell arms are through the base plate is worked down over the secured foreskin and the plate is seated onto the bell. The top plate is swung around so that it sits over the base plate and the arms of the bell are lifted onto the yoke.

Now the nut is tightened down as far as possible, thereby crushing the foreskin between the bell (cone) and base plate. Tightening the clamp forces the rim of the bell down against the frenulum, which responds by either stretching or by tearing or bleeding.

With the scalpel blade the crushed foreskin is excised against the bell at the base plate and bell junction. All remaining shreds of foreskin above the plate are removed.

Now the nut can be loosened releasing the bell arms from the yoke. Removal of the clamp allows the bell arms to drop back down through the plate. Now the penis is circumcised.


VIDEO

Here is a link to a video that clearly details the process of circumcision and shows how much pain and discomfort the baby must endure. It is an emotionally moving video.





WRONGLY PRINTED IN ENGLISH CARYACARYA BOOK

Unfortunately, the publishers have wrongly printed the English edition of Caryacarya part 2. Because in that book it states that circumcision is a viable option in Ananda Marga. But that is wrong. This book must be corrected at the earliest - accompanied by public announcment / errata page by the publishers.

In Him,
Vijay


Note 1: REPLY TO AC JINANANANDA AVT

In his recent letter, Dada Jinananandji was asking for medical facts against the practice of circumcision.

Dadaji wrote: In fact this habit is not only common with Semitic people but also many African countries, parts of Maharlika ...  They might need a sound explanation on the negative effects of circumcision. any one ?


Reply: The above letter and video - as well as the below letter and video in the links section - offer solid explanations based on medical facts and Ananda Marga teachings why circumcision is dangerous and harmful.


== Section 2 ==

Links


Here below is a link to another article and video about the medical dangers of circumcision.

http://anandamargauniversal.blogspot.com/2014/09/circumcision-is-medically-dangerous.html

Monday, August 25, 2014

Mahaprayan of John Doe #3


MAHAPRAYAN OF TOM, DICK, HARRY & EVEN JOHN DOE

~ Part 3 ~


Namaskar,
Here below is a public announcement in the newspaper about the mahaprayan of a British television actor. Using the term "mahaprayan" to signify the death of a human being is a common phenomenon in my Bengal. The term mahaprayan is everywhere; it is widely used for all kinds of people to signify their death. It is not something special or unique. This below person was not an Ananda Margii.



In this article - as well as in its regular usage - the term mahaprayan is used to insinuate the death of a man who has made his departure from this world. That is why this word is not used for Taraka Brahma because He did not depart - He is the eternal Parama Purusa. So the mahaprayan term is for ordinary humans, i.e. mortals.

Some think that we should live happily and not care about all these things. That is the wrong approach and defeats the purpose of creating the organisation. All kinds of societal dogmas were in vogue and Baba created Ananda Marga to eradicate those dogmas. Naturally then we must not allow such dogmas in our very own organisation, AMPS. If we ignore those dogmas it defeats the purpose of the formation of Ananda Marga.

The term mahaprayan is highlighted in purple, i.e. the last word of the heading of the article. If you type this in as a Google search and you will see it there printed as well.



The last word of the title of the above newspaper article is the term 'mahaprayan' in Bengali script:


Here again it should be emphasized that the term mahaprayan means the death of an ordinary human - this is the common usage of the word.

Following is more about the deceased.

Courtesy of the New York Times:
   Rik Mayall, an actor, comedian and writer whose work on “The Young Ones” and other television series helped define alternative comedy in Britain in the 1980s, died on Monday at his home in London. He was 56.
   Brunskill Management, which represents him, announced the death but did not specify the cause. Mr. Mayall was in a coma for several days in 1998 after being injured while riding a quad bike, a four-wheeled vehicle popular in Britain, but he resumed his career shortly afterward and had been working until recently.
   Mr. Mayall was best known for his role on “The Young Ones,” an anarchic and frequently surreal sitcom about four college students sharing a dilapidated house. He played a sociology student and would-be anarchist. He was a creator of the show and one of its writers. “The Young Ones” attracted a devoted following when it was shown on BBC from 1982 to 1984. In the United States it was seen on MTV in 1985 and later on PBS, Comedy Central and BBC America.


THEY NEVER LIKE TO ADMIT THEIR HYPOCRISY

Unfortunately when this point is raised then those in Tiljala never accept that mahaprayan  is merely a death ceremony. So this is their hypocrisy. Mahaprayan is a death ceremony that is what their annual fake mahaprayan (MPD) is also - a death ceremony.

In Him,
Malati Ghosh



Friday, August 22, 2014

Mahaprayan of John Doe #2

Baba

This email contains five sections:
1. Posting: Mahaprayan of John Doe #2
2. Links


MAHAPRAYAN OF TOM, DICK, HARRY & EVEN JOHN DOE

~ Part 2 ~


Namaskar,
Here below is a public announcement in the newspaper about the mahaprayan of a Muslim man named Maulana Abdul Latif Chaudhury. This is a common phenomenon in my Bengal. The term mahaprayan is everywhere; it is widely used for all kinds of people to signify their death. It is not something special or unique. This below person was not an Ananda Margii.

The last word of the title of the below newspaper article is the term 'mahaprayan' in Bengali script:


In this article - as well as in its regular usage - the term mahaprayan is used to insinuate the death of a man who has made his departure from this world to God. That is why this word is not used for Taraka Brahma because He did not depart - He is the eternal Parama Purusa. So the mahaprayan term is for ordinary humans, i.e. mortals.

Some think that we should live happily and not care about all these things. That is the wrong approach and defeats the purpose of creating the organisation. All kinds of societal dogmas were in vogue and Baba created Ananda Marga to eradicate those dogmas. Naturally then we must not allow such dogmas in our very own organisation, AMPS. If we ignore those dogmas it defeats the purpose of the formation of Ananda Marga.




in Him,
Renu Guha

Friday, July 18, 2014

Delirium of Diseased Jinani #1 & #3

Baba

Note: In this series of letters, Dr. T. R Sukulji addresses the delirium of one jinani, i.e. Manas Nandi. To read Nandi's original letters, please scroll down accordingly. A link to part two of this series is also appended below. - Eds



== DELIRIUM OF DISEASED JINANI #3==

Namaskar.
We all know that we all come from Parampurush and return back to Him only, through the long journey of cosmic cycle and the phases of sanchar and pritisanchar.

Maeyav sakalam' ja'tam' mayi sarvam' pritisthitam';
Mayi sarvam' layam' ya'ti tad brahma'dvayamasmyaham.

In this long journey, the operative principle i.e. prakrati takes care of our every movement up to the stage below human form. As soon as human form is attained ( which is relatively more developed stage than other creatures ) it develops its own existential feeling to work independently with its ego. The operative prakrati still helps them to march ahead utilizing vidya and avidya powers of it in a rational way. The nature of vidya tends towards spirituality and the vidya towards physical materialistic property. Due to materialistic attraction of avidya some people are deviated from the righteous path and think it to be their final goal. After a long time when they do not get perpetual happiness in it they feel repentant . So according to the rule " ya'drashi bhavna' yasya siddhirbhavati ta'drashi" they get degenerated towards negative pratisanchar .

The human form is attained crossing 75 per cent of the cosmic cycle in clockwise direction and rest of the 25 per cent can be covered with the rational use of vidya and avidya power of prakrati i.e. by dint of sadhana but influenced by avidya the materialistic mentality prevents many of us and compels  to follow anticlockwise movement of cosmic cycle and they march opposite to the already crossed 75  per cent way ( negative pratisanchar).

Thus there are two ways to attain parampurush  ( 1) With the centripetal force using vidya and avidya in a rational way and doing sadhana and (2) with a centrifugal force using only avidya . In first case, people develop personal and intimate relation with parampurush and proceed ahead with happiness. In second case, people develop enemy relation with parampurush out of pride and follow the negative pratisanchar. King Kamnsa and Ravana are examples who tried to attain parampurush treating Him as their enemy.

Rev. Baba says, the second way is torturous and is condemned by the people ages together hence should not be followed by any one.

As far as brother Nandiji's letters are concerned they convey following two messages:-

  (1) He is trying to understand AnandaMarga philosophy but due to  lacking in proper guidance and knowledge , feels defects in the philosophical terms which he is unable to understand.
 (2) He treats himself to be all knowing intelligent person and can test every other knowledge of the world to certify which is right or wrong .And in this way entertaining himself criticizing others .

      - If above point no.1 is correct then we have sympathy with him and can try our level best to convince and explain every philosophical term he needs. It is the important trait of human mind to learn from defects. This will certainly lead him towards true knowledge, righteousness and bliss.

     - if above point no. 2 is correct then there is no doubt that he has gone mad or is a great fool  of the world. He should know that we do not afraid of criticism at any level because we have proper explanation of  each of his doubt and we will never leave the path of bliss due to fear of criticism. 
The scriptures say :-
    "Nindantu niitinipun'ah stuvantu va', laxmi a'gachhatu gachhatu va yathestam,
     Adyaiv maranmastu yugantare va, nyayat pathi pravichlanti na dhiirah.

Respectfully,
TRS


Here below is what Nandiji wrote:

From: Manas Nandi
Subject: [BabasDream] “Bábá: “Supreme Father”, the affectionate name given to Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii by his disciples”

 
Namaskar

“Bábá: “Supreme Father”, the affectionate name given to Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii by his disciples” (1)
 
If we look at above sentence (see reference below), what does it looks like?
 
Baba means Supreme Father
Baba is  the affectionate name given to Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii by his disciples
So Supreme Father is the affectionate name given to Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii by his disciples. So Supreme Father is the affectionate name given to Shrii Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar by his disciples.
 
Who is Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii?
Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii ( aka Shrii Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar) is the founder of global spiritual organization called Ananda Marga.
 
So it means Shrii Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar is Supreme Father
So it means Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii is Supreme Father
So it means another name of Shrii Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar is Supreme Father
So it means another name of Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii is Supreme Father
 
(minus infinity)……Ha ha ha laughing …..(plus infinity)
 
 
Who do you want to be blamed? Shall one blame the irrational devotees of Shrii Shrii Ánandamúrtijii who has given such irrational name (rather impossible)? Should ones give a person (even if the person is very brilliant) a name ‘Supreme Father’? Or is it the attempts of the Ananda Marga organization to speculate their guru? Or is it the fault of the publication department? Or is it the desire of their guru to be called as Supreme Father?
 
I, Manas Nandi, will become tired to find many faults of Ananda Marga Organization. Will somebody help in this vast work of fault finding? Ha ha ha
 

By One & Infinite's grace
Brotherly Manas



== DELIRIUM OF DISEASED JINANI #1==

Namaskar.

My views on above letter are as under:-

1-  I have third edition of "idea and ideology" which contains 11 chapters. The text lines/ para from which above three conclusions have been extracted could not be found in any chapter of this edition. Therefore there can not be a direct blame that this book is misleading towards  controversial conclusions.

2-  The writer, (Dada Vedaprajinananda) of the article on:  http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/brahmacakra.htm


has explained the creation of this universe under his own understanding. He has expressed his views treating pure consciousness, prakrati and creation to be different three things. It is the main reason which leads the reader to contradict conclusion. The other important point is the use of word "modification". Every one knows that modification is needed to the entity which is incomplete. Pure consciousness is complete in all respects hence requires no modification yet the writer has mentioned it which is not agreeable.

3- Rev. Baba has very scientifically and exclusively explained this theory in His book "Idea and Ideology".  If we go through the book it is clearly understood  that if there is any existence , it is of non-qualified Brahma ( i.e. nirvikar or nirgun Brahma). Prakrati having threefold nature is His inherent operative principle. In nirvikar state this operative principle remains in dormant stage. Prakrati and purush though dual in theory are singular in spirit like two sides of one coin. The three binding forces of prakrati are belligerent in nature and try to dominate over each other and in such trial when they come in imbalanced state the operative principle experiences kinetics and due to this purush ( i.e. cognitive principle) experiences His existence . In this way the cognitive  principle comes in qualified state i.e. savikar or sagun state and the cosmic mind begins to function with a desire to become many from one. This is just like awakening from a deep sleep.

4- The cosmic mind thus imagines and vibrates  infinite waves of various wave lengths and the operative principle immediately gives  shape to them. This is like infinite small pieces of simple mirror  put before purush in various angled pattern . The same transcendental cognitive purush is reflected by such mirror like wave pattern  and we see it to be this vast universe in which our earth and it's inhabitants , moon and various planets , solar system/s, galaxies black holes ,dark matter , space , time etc exist. So each and every visible object of this universe is nothing but a ocean of waves. It is clear that the singular cognitive principle is being reflected in the wave patterns and is acting as a witnessing entity only.This implies that this vast universe is nothing but the the thought wave of purush and will remain existent till His thought wave is alive. This is also evident that being a thought wave of cosmic mind it is in side His mind and there is nothing out side it, so there is no scope to treat purush, prakrati and creation to be separate three existences.

5- In the light of this discussion the above quoted self contradictory conclusions automatically lose their existence.

Respectfully,
Dr. T.R. Sukul


Here below is what Nandiji wrote:


Is Consciousness modifiable? Or Is Consciousness unmodifiable?


Namaskar
Dear Brothers and Sisters

“If the Consciousness does not give the Operative Principle a chance to work, then the pure Consciousness remains without any modification.”
 
Conclusion#1 :- It implies that the pure Consciousness is modifiable.
 
“If the operative principle is given a chance to act, it works according to three fundamental modes. That is Prakrti creates differences in this world by modifying the original pure consciousness in three distinctive ways. These three fundamental styles of action are known as gunas in Sanskrit, a term which literally means "binding quality".”
 
Conclusion#2 :- It implies that Prakrti modifies the original pure consciousness in three distinctive ways. Further it implies that the pure Consciousness is modifiable.
 
 “Just what exactly is Consciousness?
First of all Consciousness performs the act of witnessing all events of the universe. It is like a chandelier hanging in a room from the ceiling; many different actions take place under the witnessing light bulb, but the light bulb itself does not undergo change or participate directly in the action it witnesses. It provides the light which makes all the activities possible and "observes" all the activities. It is the "cognitive faculty."”
 
Conclusion#3 :- It implies that the consciousness  performs the act of witnessing all events of the universe. It means the Consciousness is unmodifiable.
 
 
SO ACCORDING TO CONCLUSION#1&2, PURE CONSCIOUSNESS IS MODIFIABLE. WHILE ACORDING TO CONCLUSION#3, CONSCIOUNESS IS WITNESSING FACULTY AND UNMODIFIABLE. THIS IS CONTRADICTING THE PREVIOUS CONCLUSIONS.
 
SO AGAIN WE HAVE FOUND A BIG FAULT IN SHRII SHRII ANANDAMURTIJI’S IDEA AND IDEOLOGY.

All above quoted statements are excerpts from: http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/brahmacakra.htm

By One & Infinite's Grace
Brotherly Manas Nandi


Link

Here below is a link to the #2 letter in this series:

http://anandamargauniversal.blogspot.com/2014/07/nandi-is-loka-vyamoha-karaka.html


Monday, July 14, 2014

Nandi is Loka Vyámoha Káraka

Baba

(Note: If you arrived here to read Nandi's lettter please scroll all the way down to the bottom of this blog post - thank you. - Eds)


This email contains four distinct sections:
1. Posting: Nandi is Loka Vyámoha Káraka
2. End Quote: Closing Their Eyes & Plugging Their Ears
3. PS #472: बाबा! कृपा करके मेरे हृदय में आवास बनाइये।
4. Link

 Nandi is Loka Vyámoha Káraka

Eds note: This below letter is in reply to Manas Nandi's letter titled, "ANOTHER BIG FAULT found in Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji's IDEA & IDEOLOGY (Is Consciouness MODIFIABLE or UNMODIFIABLE???)".  If you want to read Nandi's letter scroll down to Section 4 - Links.


Namaskar.

In my opinion, while trying to understand any theory it is desirable to grasp fundamental conceptual definitions related to it otherwise one may draw incorrect conclusion like above letter of respected brother Manas Nandi.

Most humbly and respectfully I would like all brothers and sisters interested to know Philosophy of Anandamarga,   to consider following conceptual terms of modern science and spiritual science, before going deep in side it.The book "idea and ideology "  as well as "Anand sutram". and many more, written by Rev. Gurudeva Baba Anandamurtiji are the most precious jewels of this philosophy and are flawless . If one feels otherwise it is not their defect but of our own understanding and explanation.


1-   Modern science says :-
    
 (A) This universe / cosmos  was created with a big bang about 13.7 billion years ago in
10-37  seconds . Having diameter of 93 billion light years it contains 3 to 100x 1022   stars distributed in 80 billion galaxies.  After  1040  years, black wholes, which swallow not only the galaxies but photon even, will dominate the universe. A black hole of mass equal to our sun will vanish in around    2×1066  years and a super massive black hole  of 1011 100 billion)  solar masses will evaporate in around 2x10 99  years. 


--- Now, you imagine such a large time and dimensions of space, can they be regarded as infinite?

   (B)   Scientists are silent to say about , who created this cosmos and what will happen after the last black hole is vanished. They are also confused to define space, time , mass and gravity . The unit of time i.e. 1 second , has been accepted  as the duration of 9,192,631,770   vibrations, created by cesium (Cs) atom. Defining time they only say that it is the interval between two events.

  --- Imagine this frequency in mind  which enables us to measure time as less as
  1/ 9,192,631,770 of a second ?

  (C)     The mathematical quantity known as infinity has been accepted as limitless quantity which is unaffected by any of the mathematical operation i.e. division, multiplication, addition or subtraction.

  ----  Is it not a wonderful quantity?



2- Anandamarga philosophy says:-

(A) One transcendental entity, known in Sanskrit as Brahma( ब्रह्म ) or pure cosmic consciousness created this universe along with space and time, as the numerous thought waves in His cosmic mind. The whole cosmos and its varieties are the ocean of thought wave patterns of different wave lengths. Obviously they all reside in side the cosmic mind and there is nothing named as "out side." All the entities of the cosmos are imaginary to cosmic mind . As their existence is relative to cosmic mind  they  mutually feel as real. The cosmos ( known as chitta of Sagun Brahma in Sanskrit) is bound in space and time and is passing through the cosmic cycle of creation, preservation and destruction. The duty of Sagun Brahma is to provide the opportunities to each and every created entity to get liberation from this relativity of time and space maintaining the process of cosmic cycle. It is obvious that the Sagun Brahma is 'mukta purush' but can not get supreme state of pure consciousness until each and every created entity of the cosmos is liberated. 


(B) Time is the mental measurement of motivity of action. It is not an integral whole but is a continuous flow of discrete intervals.


(C) Person is the entity receiving this motivity of action with the help of mind.

(D) Space is the entity which establishes relation between person and time.

(E) Cosmos is the done I feeling of cosmic mind.


(F) Sagun Brahma is the doer I feeling of cosmic mind.

(G) Cosmic Mind is the existential feeling of cosmic consciousness.

(H) Tarak Brahma is a philosophical idea. Those great souls, who were bound by time  and space and their reactive momenta some time , have liberated themselves by dint of their high grade spiritual practice but continue to maintain their physical bodies at their own sweet will out of their extreme compassion , for the sake guiding  others to the supreme fulfillment .  They leave this earth as soon as they complete their 'samkalp'.

(I) Infinite and immortal is only the pure consciousness and none else. 


Now, let us consider the arguments raised by respected Manas Nandiji.

1- While drawing conclusion( rather confusion) no.1, he has relied upon the term "infinite time" which is absurd as, time may be extremely large but can not be infinite. Extremely large values of time have been illustrated with the scientific terms in point no. 1A,  above whose vastness can be realized in mind by any one . Keeping definition of time in mind  ( pt 1B and 2B) it is easy to understand that time is a mental measurement of motivity of action and both , mind and motivity of action are bound by the relativistic factor "space" hence is subject to vanish. It is therefore clear that the concept of infinite time  has no existence and the entity bound by time is subject to vanish. As Sagun Brahma's duty is to provide opportunities to liberate the created beings so, he will not be liberated  until each atom or unit being of the cosmos is not liberated. This may take large... large , time but it has an end. Therefore "the conclusion 1" of the above letter is baseless and wrong.


2- Conclusion 2, is completely dependent on conclusion 1, and as, conclusion 1 is refuted above so this conclusion 2, automatically looses its existence.


3-  Conclusion 3 also suffers the same defect and is based on conclusion 1 and 2. The logic of more than one infinity he applied can be refuted easily when we contemplate over the definitions of sagun and nirgun brahma along with the mathematical quantity named infinity. Any mathematical operation like addition , subtraction, division, or multiplication  are not effective on infinity. Therefore dividing one transcendental infinite cosmic pure consciousness in to two or more is not possible. In any of the operation , the infinite cosmic consciousness remains the infinite one. Therefore question of two infinities does not arise.


4- Conclusion 4, is the out come of conclusion 3 but conclusion 3 has no existence and is refuted above therefore this is also  false. The letter writer may remove his confusion regarding tarak brahma if he really contemplates the definition of tarak brahma given above.


5- Conclusion 5 is also false as it is extract of all the four false conclusions stated above. Other ideas expressed by the writer are also ridiculous in the light of above discussion and definitions of the philosophical and scientific terms.


     Regarding tarak brahma it is worth mentioning here that He is liberated one and helps others to get liberation and thus also helps sagun brahma as this is the basic duty of sagun brahma. Therefore it is correct to say that He acts as a bridge between sagun and nirgun brahma. Since nirgun has no form and can not be seen by the eyes, but tarak brahma is one to whom we have seen and know intimately by his works & thoughts so He can be contemplated and meditated where as nirgun is not. The intellectual works, scientific, rational and logical thoughts & teachings as  how to implement them into practice along with his love & compassion to His followers unambiguously prove that  Rev. Gurudeva, Baba Anandamurtiji is Tarak Brahma as are Lord Krashna and Lord Shiva.

    " The writer has referred some websites in his letter like 

should pay attention to their articles and review them in the light of correct  philosophy of Ananda Marga." otherwise people will be misguided by such people who draw incorrect conclusions due to improper knowledge and become confused and also confuse others.

Respectfully,
Dr. T. R. Sukul



Note 1: About Loka Vya'moha Karaka

"People formulated many such theories in the past and are still doing so even today. Such hypocrites want to misguide the people by their tall talks alone... “Loka Vyámoha Káraka.” That is, “They create disease in the minds of the people.” Their aim is not to solve society’s problems. Rather, they are the chief cause for the downfall, retardation and sad plight of human society. The present crisis in today’s civilization is due to them. Their theories are based on the psychology and intellectual extravaganza of the hypocrite. You will certainly encounter many such theories in the social sphere, the economic sphere, and other spheres of life. This is not the problem of a single country, but of the entire intellectual world. Again I repeat that the crisis in civilization today is due to the intellectual extravaganza of these hypocrites, these polished satans." (AFPS-6, Theory and Practice)

== Section 2 ==

The section below demarcated by asterisks is an entirely different topic,
completely unrelated to the above material. It stands on its own as a point of interest.

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Closing Their Eyes And Plugging Their Ears,

They Try To Cling To Their Own Irrational Rituals

"The structure of the mind is determined by the nature of its object. If the psychic object is crude, the inter-atomic gaps within the mind decrease in size, and the mind will ultimately refuse to accept anything except its own crude object. For this reason the supporters of crude isms become incapable of accepting the rational ideas of others, and closing their eyes and plugging their ears, they try to cling to their own irrational rituals. Their psychic receptivity is lost due to the superimposition of crude ideation. They do not feel the need for the Vidyá force to exceed the Avidyá force. They say, “Why should I bother about such subtle things. I am quite happy as I am.” Such people, engrossed as they are with materialism, are bound to be reborn in crude material bodies." (AMIWL-8, Cosmic Attraction and Spiritual Cult)

Note: This guideline and critique is directly aimed at the lesbian, gay, and bi-sexual community and the sexual culture of materialism that indulges in sex for sex sake. Such persons live like animals - plunged in degrading propensities. Although they are in human form they are following animal dharma. Their future is not bright. Such an existence is not befitting a human being. Human longing is infinite - instead of indulgine in degrading, finite pleasures, one must contemplate the great. So one is to adopt an ideal human life goading the mind towards Parama Purusa. That is manava dharma, or human dharma.
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== Section 3 ==

~ बाबा! कृपा करके मेरे हृदय में आवास बनाइये।~


प्रभात सँगीत 472  Tumi amare cao na iha’ jani
तुमि आमारे चाओ ना इहा जानी


भावार्थ
हेे परम पुरुष मैं तुम्हे बहुत प्यार करता हूं और चाहता हूं कि तुम मेरे निकट आ जाओ इसलिये मैने हृदय में  तुम्हारे लिये एक मंच तैयार कर लिया है। मैं लगातार रो रहा हूं फिर भी तुम नहीं आ रहे हो अतः अब यह सोचने को विवश  हूं कि तुम मुझे सचमुच प्यार नहीं करते। फिर भी निराश  होकर एक दूर की आशा  बनी है कि शायद भूल से ही मेरी ओर आ जाओ। ए बाबा, मैं बड़ी ही  आशाऔर पूर्वानुमान से ही तुम्हारे आने की प्रतीक्षा में दिन और घंटे गिन रहा हूं।

ए दिव्य सत्ता, तुम्हारे आगमन की तैयारी में मैंने स्वागत की सभी चीजें जुटा ली हैं। भव्य स्वागत के लिये अर्पण सामग्री को थाल में सजा लिया है। मैंने अपने हृदय के प्यार से भरकर अनेक फूलों को एक माला में पिरो लिया है और कमरे को अपने हृदय की मधुर भावनाओं और प्यार के साथ सुगंधित चंदन की महक से भलीभाॅंति सजा लिया है। यह सब व्यवस्थायें केवल तुम्हारे लिये हैं। ए बाबा! मैं चैबीसों घंटे जाग रहा हूँ और तुम्हारी ही प्रतीक्षा में दिन रात गुजार रहा हूं।

बाबा मेरे बाबा! मैं स्थायी रूपसे तुम्हारे दिव्य गुणों और अनन्त विषेशताओं  को याद करता हूं, तुम साक्षात् कृपा ही हो, तुम मुक्तिदाता हो, तुम नारायण हो। यह सोचकर कि तुम मेरे हो और मेरे हृदय में रहते हो, मुझे गर्व होता है। मेरा यही दर्प है कि तुम मेरे हो, और मैं तुम्हारा हूं। बाबा! मैं तुम्हारे आगमन के रास्ते के किनारे उत्सुकता पूर्वक केवल इस भावना से प्रतीक्षा कर रहा हूं कि कब तुम्हें पाऊं और अपना सबकुछ तुम्हारे चरण कमलों में समर्पित कर दूं।

बाबा! कृपा करके मेरे हृदय में आवास बनाइये।

- Dr T.R. Sukul


Here is the phonetic spelling of the above Hindi purport in Roman script:


Bābā! Kr̥pā karakē mērē hr̥daya mēṁ āvāsa banā'iyē


Prabhāta sam̐gīta 472 Tumi amare cao na iha’ jani
tumi āmārē cā'ō nā ihā jānī

bhāvārtha
hēē parama puruṣa maiṁ tumhē bahuta pyāra karatā hūṁ aura cāhatā hūṁ ki tuma mērē nikaṭa ā jā'ō isaliyē mainē hr̥daya mēṁ tumhārē liyē ēka man̄ca taiyāra kara liyā hai. Maiṁ lagātāra rō rahā hūṁ phira bhī tuma nahīṁ ā rahē hō ataḥ aba yaha sōcanē kō vivaśa hūṁ ki tuma mujhē sacamuca pyāra nahīṁ karatē. Phira bhī nirāśa hōkara ēka dūra kī āśā banī hai ki śāyada bhūla sē hī mērī ōra ā jā'ō. Ē bābā, maiṁ baṛī hī āśā'aura pūrvānumāna sē hī tumhārē ānē kī pratīkṣā mēṁ dina aura ghaṇṭē gina rahā hūṁ.

Ē divya sattā, tumhārē āgamana kī taiyārī mēṁ mainnē svāgata kī sabhī cījēṁ juṭā lī haiṁ. Bhavya svāgata kē liyē arpaṇa sāmagrī kō thāla mēṁ sajā liyā hai. Mainnē apanē hr̥daya kē pyāra sē bharakara anēka phūlōṁ kō ēka mālā mēṁ pirō liyā hai aura kamarē kō apanē hr̥daya kī madhura bhāvanā'ōṁ aura pyāra kē sātha sugandhita candana kī mahaka sē bhalībhāĕnti sajā liyā hai. Yaha saba vyavasthāyēṁ kēvala tumhārē liyē haiṁ. Ē bābā! Maiṁ caibīsōṁ ghaṇṭē jāga rahā hūm̐ aura tumhārī hī pratīkṣā mēṁ dina rāta gujāra rahā hūṁ.

Bābā mērē bābā! Maiṁ sthāyī rūpasē tumhārē divya guṇōṁ aura ananta viṣēśatā'ōṁ kō yāda karatā hūṁ, tuma sākṣāt kr̥pā hī hō, tuma muktidātā hō, tuma nārāyaṇa hō. Yaha sōcakara ki tuma mērē hō aura mērē hr̥daya mēṁ rahatē hō, mujhē garva hōtā hai. Mērā yahī darpa hai ki tuma mērē hō, aura maiṁ tumhārā hūṁ. Bābā! Maiṁ tumhārē āgamana kē rāstē kē kinārē utsukatā pūrvaka kēvala isa bhāvanā sē pratīkṣā kara rahā hūṁ ki kaba tumhēṁ pā'ūṁ aura apanā sabakucha tumhārē caraṇa kamalōṁ mēṁ samarpita kara dūṁ.

Bābā! Kr̥pā karakē mērē hr̥daya mēṁ āvāsa banā'iyē.

- Dr T.R. Sukul

== Section 4 ==

Links

Here is Nandi's original letter on this topic:

at 1:21 AM (EDT) on 7/2/14 Manas Nandi wrote:
>
>>Namaskar
>>Dear Brothers and Sisters
>> 
>>Request your study the
>>following carefully, as one BIG fault is found in Idea and Ideology and
>>Anandasutram:
>>
>>“2-12. Saguńát srśt´irutpattih: The creation
>>originates from Saguńa Brahma.” -- (Excerpted
>>http://sarkarverse.org/wiki/Ananda_Sutram)
>> 
>>“Saguna Brahma goes on for infinite time. The
>>thought-projection of the Cosmic Mind can never stop. This means that the
>>universe is indestructable and eternal.”
>>-- (Excerpted http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/brahmacakra.htm )
>> 
>>“Saguna Brahma goes on for infinite time.” => It
>>implies Saguna Brahma is INFINITE. ==(CONCLUSION ONE)
>> 
>> 
>>“This means that the universe is indestructable and
>>eternal.” => It implies the universe is INFINITE. Because destruction is
>>possible for FINITE and  INFINITE can not
>>be destructed. ====(CONCLUSION TWO)
>> 
>>“According to Ananda Marga philosophy, Brahma exists
>>as the manifested universe (Saguna) and another infinite portion of Brahma
>>remains beyond the influence of the operative principle and is
>>undifferentiated
>>(Nirguna).” --- (Excerpted http://www.anandamarga.org/articles/
>>brahmacakra.htm )
>> 
>>“…and another infinite portion of Brahma remains
>>beyond the influence of the operative principle and is undifferentiated
>>(Nirguna).” => It implies Nirguna Brahma is INFINITE. “another infinite
>>portion of Brahma” suggests that there is ONE more infinite portion of
>Brahma.
>>One infinite portion is Nirguna Brahma and obviously the other infinite
>>portion
>>is Saguna Brahma. So it means INFINITE Brahma has two parts. Each of
the two
>>parts is INFINITE.
>> 
>>FROM CONCLUSION ONE (above): SAGUNA BRAHMA IS
>>INFINITE.
>>FROM CONCLUSION THREE (below): NIRGUNA BRAHMA IS
>>INFINITE.
>> 
>>NOW, INFINITE CAN NOT BE TWO. INFINITE IS ONE AND
>>ONLY ONE. SO INFINITE BRAHMA CAN NOT HAVE TWO INFINITE PARTS NAMELY
>“INFINITE
>>SAGUNA” AND “INFINITE NIRGUNA”. HENCE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS NO PURE
>>CONSCIOUSNESS. ===(CONCLUSION THREE)
>> 
>>“1-25. Bhávah bhávátiitayoh setuh Tárakabrahma: The
>>bridge between Nirguńa Brahma and Saguńa Brahma is called Táraka
>>(Liberating) Brahma.” -- (Excerpted http://sarkarverse.org/wiki/
>Ananda_Sutram)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>=> IT IMPLIES TARAKA (LIBERATING) BRAHMA DOES NOT
>>EXIST, BECAUSE THE CONCEPT OF “INFINITE SAGUNA BRAHMA” AND “INFINITE
NIRGUNA
>>BRAHMA”  IS FAILED.  CONCLUSION THREE ABOVE ====(CONCLUSION FOUR)
>> 
>>HENCE SHRII SHRII ANANDAMURTIJII CAN NOT BE TARAKA
>>(LIBERATING) BRAHMA. ===(CONCLUSION FIVE)
>> 
>>SO IT SHOULD BE KEPT IN MIND THAT INFINITE CAN NOT BE
>>TWO. INFINITE CAN NOT BE MORE THAN ONE. INFINITE IS ONE AND ONLY ONE.
>> 
>>THE POSSIBLE PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND SHRI PRABHAT RANJAN
>>SARKAR’S SUCH HYPOTHESIS CALLED “IDEA AN IDEOLOGY” AND “ANANDASUTRAM”
>IS THAT
>>POSSIBLY HE TRIED TO CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT :-
>>SINCE SAGUNA BRAHMA IS BOUND BY THREE
>>GUNAS OF PRAKRTI SUCH AS SATTVA (sentient), RAJAH (mutative) AND TAMAH
>>(static), SAGUNA BRAHMA CAN NOT LIBERATE OTHERS (PEOPLE).  HENCE HE GAVE
>>SUCH HYPOTHESIS THAT HE IS
>>TARAK BRAHMA WHO STAYS IN BETWEEN NIRGUNA BRAHMA AND SAGUNA BRAHMA AND CAN
>>LIBERATE OTHERS.
>>
>>I, brother Manas Nandi, say thank to brother Samarendra who made the
>>following comment on my facebook post and from his comment I got
>>inspiration to write down this mail  :
>>
>>Samarendra
>>Goswami: Shrii Shrii A'nandamurti is Taraka Brahma. "bha'vah
>>bha'va'titayoh setu Ta'raka Brahma." A'nanda Sutram 1/25. "The bridge
>>between Nirguna Brahma and Saguna Brahma is called Ta'raka (liberating)
>>Brahma." In Carya'carya, part 2 Shrii Shrii A'nandamurti revealed, "
>>The one formless, beginning-less and infinite Parama Brahma ( Supreme
>>Consciousness) is the only entity to be attained by living beings---
>>That alone
>>is Jagat Guru ( the Supreme Preceptor), That alone has revealed
Brahmavidya'
>>(intuitional science) to us through the medium of the name and form of
>>A'nandamurtijii. Unit beings must be made to appreciate its majesty." So
>>to do dhya'na on Shrii Shrii A'nandamurti, dvinetram dvibhujam varabhaya
>>krtahastam gurum in gurucakra is Brahma dhyana. The Nirguna Brahma
>cannot play
>>the role of Guru as HE is unable to contact. The entity in Saguna Brahma
>>cannot
>>be a Guru as he himself being in bondage is unable to liberate others.
>>Only The
>>Ta'raka Brahma , the Nucleus at the tangential point of Saguna and
>Nirguna is
>>able to have contact with the saguna and nirguna , and thus HE is the only
>>Liberator. Dhyana on His saguna form opens up the sheath of tattva
gnyan and
>>this physical shape dissolves in Blissful Nirguna transforming the
>devotee in
>>birth-less death-less tranquility. Hence Shrii Krsna said in the Geeta,
>>"janma karma ca me divyam ya betti tattvata, tyaktadeha pnarjanma naeti
>>mameti sa Arjuna." Shrii Krsna and Sadashiva were Taraka Brahma prior to
>>Shrii Shrii A'nanda Murti.
>>
>>
>>
>>By One and Infinite's kripa
>>Brotherly
>>Manas






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